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Turbos roar to forefront in race for fuel economy

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Turbos roar to forefront in race for fuel economy


By Ken Bensinger | Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times December 3, 2007

The next thing in greener cars doesn't need hydrogen, lithium-ion batteries or a power cord. In fact, it's based on century-old technology that has been used on trucks since before World War II: the turbo.

Under pressure to cut emissions and boost fuel efficiency, automakers quietly are turning to turbocharging as a relatively inexpensive, easy-to-implement technology that soon could be a permanent staple on internal combustion engines.

That's because turbos, high-velocity fans that recirculate and compress exhaust gases back into the motor's cylinders, can increase fuel efficiency by as much as 30 percent, while at the same time increasing power output. Thanks to that increased power, smaller engines can be used, reducing weight and further increasing efficiency. And because it is a proven technology, the research and development costs are enticingly low.





"There isn't a dynamometer in Detroit that doesn't have a turbocharged engine being tested on it right now," said Eric Noble, president of Carlab, an automotive consultant in Orange, Calif., referring to machines that measure an engine's power. "There's still a lot of fuel savings that can be gotten out of a traditional engine."

Automakers are cagey about announcing how many cars will get the turbo boost, but General Motors Corp. executives say they are considering putting turbos on even their largest passenger vehicles, while Hyundai just announced its first turbocharged car, the Genesis coupe, for the U.S. market in a dozen years.

Volkswagen and Mercedes are preparing to hit the American market with new turbocharged diesels starting next year. And at the recent Los Angeles Auto Show, Ford Motor Co. Chief Executive Alan Mulally announced a major initiative to begin putting turbochargers and a related technology, direct fuel injection, on a large portion of its fleet in the near future, calling the move a "cornerstone of Ford's near-term plan."

The first Ford vehicle to get the boost will be the new Lincoln MKS, which will be introduced this spring with a standard engine but will go turbo by early 2009. The new engine will be smaller, 3.5 liters compared with 3.7 liters, yet have better performance.

"This is not something on the drawing board. Turbos are here," said Adriane Brown, president and CEO of Honeywell Transportation Systems, the leading turbo manufacturer, with $2.5 billion in turbo sales last year. As turbos gain more acceptance, she expects sales to grow three times faster than the automotive segment in the next few years, or about 8 percent.

Technology not new

Turbos are hardly new. After finding a place on ships, locomotives and airplanes in the first half of the last century, they were adopted for passenger cars in the 1970s, when BMW, Mercedes, Mitsubishi and Buick bolted them onto manifolds. Despite popularity among car tuners, they quickly lost acceptance among the general population, which saw them as unreliable, expensive and, with their sudden bursts of acceleration, dangerous.

Older turbos delivered great amounts of torque, yet frequently there was a short time gap between stepping on the pedal and feeling the power. That gap, called turbo lag, could cause unsuspecting drivers to crash.

New turbo technology essentially has eliminated that gap while providing a variable boost depending on the engine velocity, turbo manufacturers say. And turbos add only slightly to the cost of a car, they say, between $1,000 and $3,000, part of which can be offset by using a smaller engine.

Some carmakers are just now embracing the technology, and a very few still shun it, but others have been pressing the turbo button for years. GM's Saab, for example, has long used turbocharged engines, and Subaru has had them in cars for 25 years, including four current models. In Europe, turbocharger-equipped diesel engines are far and away the most common engine type, approaching 50 percent market penetration. Yet in the U.S., said Honeywell's Brown, only 6 percent of cars and truck are "boosted."

Contrary to American tastes

That gap, experts say, largely is due to American tastes and prejudices. Simply put, Americans want big, heavy motors, and they associate displacement -- the volume of air and gas drawn in by an engine -- with power. Turbos are seen as accouterments for tin-can sports cars and low-slung street rodders, hardly something useful for towing, say, or lugging kids to soccer practice.

The reality, however, is that turbochargers have been on heavy-duty trucks in the U.S. for years. The Big Three automakers had 19 different turbocharged diesel trucks in their 2007 lineups, according to Edmunds.

"The U.S. is probably the last market to look at the upsides of downsized turbo engines," said Mary Brevard, spokeswoman for supplier Borg Warner Inc., which saw sales of its turbos increase 17 percent last year, to $825 million. "Americans think bigger is better, but if they drive a turbo, they find out" it's a powerful, high-performing car.

They might be finding out whether they like it or not. With government fuel-consumption standards expected to rise significantly in the near future, many automakers see turbos as the least expensive and easiest short-term way to increase efficiency, especially with experts saying hydrogen cars will cost as much as $1 million each and are at least a decade away.
 
Yep very interesting. There was an article in Car and Driver a few months back that said 4 cylinders with turbos and methanol injection pushing over 300 horsepower will be here in the near future. Electronically boost controlled so when there is no meth in the tank it kills the boost.
 
This is an obvious government ploy to buy time to perfect the naturally aspirated flat-head straight 8 engine . Turbos will NEVER work:thumbdwn: :notworking:
 
Think Buick will bring back the Grand National? ;)
I love reading about turbos every year, and how good they are.
Wake up GM.

:beach:
 
I've seen some GNX prototypes on the net as far back as a year and a half. I thnk it was in a GM rumors forum somewhere. I posted a pic below. I wish Buick would make this a twin turbo 6 GNX. This protype is supposedly based on the GTO platform. I've wondered why more companies didn't use turbo technology for years. Dad had several big power making twin turbo 454 motors in some boats back in the early 80's, his airplane wa turboed too, I think...I was young gun when he was flying... it's just the right thing to do to make kill power. Maybe companies were reluctant to use them because of servicability, they may have just thought that their current service departments wasn't equipped or mechanically educated enough to warranty and work on turbo motors. With electronic conrols and computers becoming better, it also made for a more user friendly proposition to use turbos. Think about it, if you had no computer to instantly pull back the timing when running too high boost on shitty gas, how many of you would have destroyed motors. I know I would have. Make me wonder why GM pussed out on using turbos on the vette and why they aren't using it on the blue devil zo6 to come... supposed to have a supercharger. Well, any power adder is a good thing. They could easily make a 1000 hwp vette on pump gas.

gnx.jpg
 
A couple of years ago, while at SEMA, I met the high Buick engineer, in charge of concept cars, which was a woman.
They had a California Edition Buick, which she said was a GN concept.
It had the supercharged 6 in it.
We got to talking about the turbo versions, and she said she wished Buick would still use turbos.
All she said was, Buick said NO.

Too bad.

:beach:
 
mr.turbota said:
A couple of years ago, while at SEMA, I met the high Buick engineer, in charge of concept cars, which was a woman.
They had a California Edition Buick, which she said was a GN concept.
It had the supercharged 6 in it.
We got to talking about the turbo versions, and she said she wished Buick would still use turbos.
All she said was, Buick said NO.

Too bad.

:beach:


That sucks because if they did, I think it would sell as good or better than a new Z06, camaro, charger, or the shelby 500. I couldn't get one, cause it would have to be at least $60,000 or $70,000 or even more.
 
If Buick remade that GNX prototype I know one will be living in my garage. I think it would be a hit. But how can you tell?
 
Wow thats a sweet concept:headbang:

Being its based off the GTO platform and will be a high HP car I doubt it will be released to Canada:furious:
 
Believe it or not, diesels with turbos are an obvious next step. The 2006 diesel jetta is quicker and faster than the gas jetta. The diesel gets 60 mpg and the gas gets 30. sounds pretty obvious to me. I go 700 miles on 14.5 gallon tank, and half of the driving is in the city. What does that tell you? I needed an efficient car. the hybrids I drove were noisy and so slow as to be dangerous. plus, who wants to spend $8,000 for new batteries. Ever buy one for your laptop? Imagine buying 20 huge ones for your car. The jetta diesel was the last thing I tried because I didn't want a slow stinky loud car. But it was quiet, way faster than anything else with over 40 mpg, and no smoke or smell. I couldn't believe it. And a optional 6 speed manual with two computer controlled clutches providing silky smoooth automatic gear changes, faster than humanly possible. And besides, I hear they are using turbo diesels for racing these days. I'm sure that a diesel sports car could be made with double the gas mileage as a gas one with similar performance. It's just a more efficient type of motor. (that's why Mr. Diesel was murdered.)
 
Good post andre#4 and I hate hybrids as much as you do but I need to point out one thing. The battery packs for the Honda hybrids are closer to $2500 then $8000.
 
Andre- thanks for your post and the info about the 2006 Jetta turbo-diesel. My wife has been looking for one for some time now and they are harder to find "for sale" then a '89 tta. Did you buy yours new? Any suggestions on where or how to find one? Why did V stop making them? Help!!!

Tom
 
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