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Newblie looking to add some bolt on's (injectors, turbo tweak chip)

tta1222

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Hi. Just curious about something. My TTA is stock with 27k miles. If I got the 60lb injectors with the chip from TweakStore... how much quicker will this make the the car? I want to do some bolt on's to get some quicker 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times.

I dont wanna go crazy with mods.... but i want a little more speed...I used to be good with cars when I was younger but its been 20 yrs since I have really done any type of mods. i dont wanna screw my TTA up. As far as I know its bone stock. Owned by a 70 yr old car collector. I am the 2nd owner.

And I am hearing I will need a scan master too. Sorry for sounding like a total idiot. I just got my car this past summer. But 3 weeks after I got it I tore my achilles tendon and was not able to get in the car. I am looking forward to this summer.

I am not looking to drag race the car... but it would be nice when im out casually driving it...and some newer cars...vettes...exotics....etc... to smoke them or at least put up a good fight. lol

This is prolly the place to get all the info i need
 
Welcome
Your car looks real nice! I wish I could help, but I'm a bit of a newbie too. I've got just a few things done, but I need to get things set up right. I just got the TT chip in the fall and havn't had any real seat time.
I'll be watching this thread for tips!
KID
 
Get a scan master, understand that your car need to run with zero knock.
Get a cold air intake, adjustable waste gate rod, and methanol injection kit.
Order an injector and turbo tweak combo after you have your mods, cause the chip is burnt according to your mods.
Get sticky tires and hope the transmission holds up after you turn up the boost via alky.
Good luck
 
Get a scan master, understand that your car need to run with zero knock.
Get a cold air intake, adjustable waste gate rod, and methanol injection kit.
Order an injector and turbo tweak combo after you have your mods, cause the chip is burnt according to your mods.
Get sticky tires and hope the transmission holds up after you turn up the boost via alky.
Good luck

I agree with Jarred on the the meth injection option. you can even run Denatured Alky. I do. It's easy to find at hardware store if meth is hard to source.

Basically keeping the intake charge efficient increases hp. The stock turbo is only efficient to about 16 psi, after that it starts whipping the air up to a hotter charge. So if you can make that stock turbo run more efficient, the better.

Your gonna need a fuel pressure gauge either wet on the rail under hood or a fancy in cabin gauge. Either way you need to know your fp.

You also need a adjustable fuel pressure reg, and you need to set that baby to about 42-43 psi with the cap off at idle, so that with cap on and at WOT your running about 61-63 psi to 20+psi of boost ideally, others can chime in with their experiences and opinions. This is where the scan master comes in to monitor any knock. Don't be too bashful about knock. Knock can ruin your day and destroy shit, but the factory knock sensor is the reason Buick could even sell these turbo cars then and it's pretty fast to pull timing for a 25 yr old set-up and save your ass (read Gale Banks comments on the sensor and developer in the new issue of HotRod magazine)

Back in the early 90's I ran high boost with no monitoring gauges and went by ear to hear knock. note: still have factory head gaskets after 23+ psi runs for the past 20+ years.

You will have to have a reburned chip to run the alky. As to your new 60# inj and chip.

The thing you'll notice the most is that driveablility will be much better. Mine had weird surging and searching in the rpm and street manners was weird. It would die at times in traffic which really caused havoc in traffic. Once I switched to the tweak chip all bad manners were erased and it acted like a new Toyota Camry in traffic.

In the search for a better more efficient charge intake, you may want to consider the duttweiler intercooler modification. It smooths up and increases transition from turbo to intercooler. Helps a bit. Said to be good for 20 hp. Always source 100+ unleaded octane if possible . Never hurts.

Some good drag radials like Micky Thompson (aggressive-short life-best 60 ft times) or Nittos drag radials (milder- street driver-longer life-not as good 60ft times)

And for the most cheap modification with the most holy shit factor, cut a hole in the downpipe (unless your a purist and want to keep your stock downpipe in pristine shape-though you can have it welded back up) I did that back the early 90's before almost any other mod other than a K&N filter. Increases the turbo spool time like night and day. Dynos a stock TTA motor almost 50 hp according to the now MIA vendor Eastern Performance (an early turbo buick vendor)

There isn't any actual cold air intake that you can buy ready made from any known vendor, you kinda have to source stuff from the turbo Buick vendors and create yourself. You can follow my photos on my website, it shows what I rigged up from vendor stuff and parts I found that worked.

Nice car BTW. :cowboy: Oh yeah to your question of running exotics with above suggestions...I beat a 1990 ZR1 in an 1/8 mile with only a open down pipe and crushed fuel reg (higher fp) and K&N. That's everything else stock even chip and injectoras back in the early 90's. Also beat a early 91 formula firehawk that was supposed to be in the 350+ hp range just to give you an idea. Car ran 12.90's all day long and 13.70's with AC on.
 
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And for the most cheap modification with the most holy shit factor, cut a hole in the downpipe (unless your a purist and want to keep your stock downpipe in pristine shape-though you can have it welded back up) I did that back the early 90's before almost any other mod other than a K&N filter. Increases the turbo spool time like night and day. Dynos a stock TTA motor almost 50 hp according to the now MIA vendor Eastern Performance (an early turbo buick vendor)

Can you show me where you drilled a hole? How big?
 
And for the most cheap modification with the most holy shit factor, cut a hole in the downpipe (unless your a purist and want to keep your stock downpipe in pristine shape-though you can have it welded back up) I did that back the early 90's before almost any other mod other than a K&N filter. Increases the turbo spool time like night and day. Dynos a stock TTA motor almost 50 hp according to the now MIA vendor Eastern Performance (an early turbo buick vendor)

Can you show me where you drilled a hole? How big?

This is interesting!
KID
 
There a few ways to go about installing a cutout. I did my stock down pipe right at the bottom. I don't have pics of mine, but of some other person's way pasted below. The nicest and cleanest way to do it is remove your cat and replace with a cutout section built into a test pipe. pics below of a couple of ways.

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ok drilled a hole? I would suggest to remove the cat and put a straight pipe should do the same affect. Nice car
 
So If I understand you correct, drilling a hole in down pipeor exhaust electric cut out are the same?
 
You don't drill a hole, you cut a hole (muffler shop), about 2.5inch then weld a flange onto the hole with a 3 bolt cap. They are available at summit or jegs.
But if you want a nicer but pricer mode, then I would suggest the removal of the cat and replacing with a purpose made cutout like the graphic and photo above. From that part you attach the electric cutout part.
You don't have to have an electric cutout, you can uncap it manually with 3 bolts, but you have to climb under the car every time you want it open.

The el cheapo way is highlighted in red below.

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I had an ATR Downpipe on mine and wanted to go back stock. It for Sure spools slower and you can feel the difference between a 3inch dp and stock.

your good on chip and injectors, so just go CAI, and a big DP,
 
Unless I missed it, everyone forgot to tell you that a 25 year old fuel pump is bad news for adding power, so add a replacement fuel pump to the equation with a hot wire kit, that is a must, then a scan master or other device to detect knock, those are the must haves before doing other go fast mods.
For the dump pipe, why not just pull the cat off and get a straight pipe with a dump cap, much easier and can be returned to stock very easily. Also make sure your boost gauge is accurate, if not, then a boost guage in the a-piller...these are notorious for having the boost gauge off.
 
It for Sure spools slower and you can feel the difference between a 3inch dp and stock.

+1 I know the 3" should be way down the list of must have's and isn't needed till low low 11's but this is true. Spool is noticeably faster even on stock turbo with the 3" DP. Save your money for a good 3" DP for down the road...

Anyways, Scanmaster/wideband combo , Fuel pump/hotwire kit , TT Chip/Inj. combo and a good set of tires is a good start then tune tune tune.

My advice is not good here but I go on a back road and tune from 55mph in Drive "D", mash it till 125mph...For my application... At 125mph, 11:3 air/fuel is my target. I wouldn't go any leaner than that. I hook up the old g-tech pro and monitor that as well. My car wouldn't gain any mph over 11:3
Leaner and I lost .5-1.5 mph...but picked up mph's from 10:8 to 11:3 with ZERO knock. I know it's ghetto but the track is well over a hour away and I do not have a truck yet...in case I break it.

Joe
 
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Alot of good info. I dont even know where to start. I know i dont want to get into to drag radials. Like I said I am just going to drive the car, maybe some highway racing and red light racing. Thats about the extent of it.

I just have a need for speed!
 
Question for everyone. Everyone that has a TTA seems to use a scanmaster. Is there anything that would allow an Android phone to be hooked up to monitor all this stuff? There is a an app called Torque that seems to do the same thing as a scan master
 
No way dude, basically your on the line where technology was old school then turned into alien tech. The scan master was developed years after the 89 TTA's computer was developed and it dials into vital data that a smart phone doesn't tap into. To be simple it works with it. The ipads and shit don't. Although the awesome thing to do if you want the ultimate in logging and data collection is the Powerlogger http://www.turbotweakstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1018 this will allow you to interface modern computers with the old tech computer in your Pontiac. Yeah, I said it. Pontiac.:WOOT:

Jokes aside, the powerlogger is the thing to get if you want to really maximize what the stock TTA has to offer.

About the drag radials, the Nittos are a harder compound and unless your TTA is a daily driver, a set would be super nice and last a good long time. They have a long life and if you start raising the power you'll find that stock/street tires will never work for 60ft times. 60ft is where street races are won. Stop light to Stop light. If you can come out with the LC2 (TTA Buick drivetrain) @ full torque, you'll win races that new Porches would have never bet on. The face of disbelief = priceless...:thumbup:
 
Im gonna buy the injectors...chip...scanmaster...ccut the cat...change fuel pup...sounds like a place to start

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Im gonna buy the injectors...chip...scanmaster...ccut the cat...change fuel pup...sounds like a place to start

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Yes, delete your catalytic convertor, but don't gut or destroy your catalytic convertor, but replace it with a pipe with cutout like in the graphic/int... I unfortunately gutted my cat. Wish I had kept it. Only stock part I don't have anymore. They may actually be worth something someday.
 
congrat's on your new toy,alot of good advice here first thing you have to do is read do research on these cars buick vortex,turbo buicks.com etc.Do the spring cleaning after all these cars are over 25 years old,also boost gauge,fuel pressure gauge scan master etc.The more you read the more you are going to understand these cars read read and then read some more.:thumbup:
 
Power logger is the thing to use with the TTA scanmaster 2 and ecm, too bad the scanmaster 2 don't have a data port like the Scanmaster 3 for the Syclone or Typhoon, with the port it is a easy hook up to laptop for software like Tuner Pro which is free.:beach:
 
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