Scott Kelly's Website comments

#1
I like the site!

http://www.pasincorporated.com/PAS/PAS_Inc.html
Cool to see the 6 spd TTA again. I had the magazine article about it. Cover has a chick in spandex standing in front of a Lambo I think
Anyone have this issue? I can't find mine.
It had a GNX ceramic turbo and a different chip, roll cage and some other tricks. Maybe an adjustable boost knob. Looks like it has an adjustable boost control in the pictures.


I guess I shouldn't try getting away this time...ttarider

 
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Turbota6

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#2
I swear I had the magazine with the "H.O." 6-speed car in that ran 180+mph but for the life of me I couldn't find it. I'll have to see if I removed it from my regular collection of magazines and put it somewhere else. It was not a regular issue but a special edition.
 
#3
I swear I had the magazine with the "H.O." 6-speed car in that ran 180+mph but for the life of me I couldn't find it. I'll have to see if I removed it from my regular collection of magazines and put it somewhere else. It was not a regular issue but a special edition.
Yep,, I had it in dirty little hands at one point in my life. I owned 502 at the time too, but lost this issue.
 
#4
I swear I had the magazine with the "H.O." 6-speed car in that ran 180+mph but for the life of me I couldn't find it. I'll have to see if I removed it from my regular collection of magazines and put it somewhere else. It was not a regular issue but a special edition.
i knew you was holding back on me :cry:
 
#5
Hi Guys,
This will be one of my rare posts. I have back issues that prevent me from being on the computer for more than an hour of so a day which is why the website is not done yet.

I should have it done in the next several months and will release it in pieces at various times. The site that you accessed was not done and was not supposed to be accessible yet so i left the landing page up and disconnected the photos for now. I want to explain the photos to insure that there is no misinterpretation of what you are looking at.

I will work hard to have an initial site up over the next couple of weeks!

As far as what will be on the website i will go into:

Company histories for PAS, Prototype Automotive Services, and Triad

TTA Testing
TTA Production
TTA Pilot Cars
TTA My Car
TTA Festival Cars
TTA Pace Cars
TTA HO
Magazine Articles

Prototype Automotive:
Other Pace Cars
GTOs
Twin Turbo
Firefox
Turbo Bonnevilles

Triad:
Buick Wildcat
Cadillac Solitare
Cadillac Voyage
Delorean

To complete the site i need 100s of hours of scanning, resizing, reformatting, etc. of photos as well as many hours to explain the photos so be patient.

As far as the reunion goes i had a great time talking to you guys and seeing the cars together. I told Jim that if 200 cars showed up that i would do an event at the Indy Speedway for the PAS cars next year. We did not make it but i may still do it for 2013. I will see what the response is to the website and how many would be interested. I am also considering a quarterly newsletter to inform you guys of what i am up to with your cars.

What would help me is for you guys to go out and get more TTAs into the group so when i make parts i can make them as inexpensively as possible so working with Jan on a registry would be very helpful to find all of the remaining cars.

I will post on this thread only as it is too hard for me to monitor and respond to all the different threads and comments.

Thanks to you guys for your enthusiasm for the Turbo Trans Am!!!!

Scott Kelly
 

Turbota6

Well-Known Member
#6
Scott,

Thank you for attending and for all the work you put into these cars. It was great to finally meet you in person. The web site, from what I saw yesterday, looked great so far. I'm sure when it's back up it will be amazing. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help out.
 

mr.turbota

Super Moderator
Staff member
#7
Scott,
I sure wish I would have been able to go to the event this year, but things that cost me money came up, in that I could not attend.
It would have been great to meet you in person (and get a few autographs).
I talked with you about your car, when you were selling it in Hemmings Motor News way back when, on the phone.
You gave me alot of info on my car (#231) at the same phone conversion back then).
I still have the envelope that I wrote all the info down on.
In fact, I still have that issue of Hemmings Motor News somewhere. ;)
I look forward to seeing your website when you put it back up.

I hope we can meet up in the future,

George :beach:
 

DaveGershon

Well-Known Member
#8
Scott,
I really wish I could have made it. Unfortunately family commitments made it not possible. I got my first taste of these cars back in 1989 when George let me drive #231 in an Autocross at Trans-a-rama in Reno Nevada. I have two of my own I picked up over the years and have never enjoyed any other car as much.

I really look forward to seeing your web site when it is done.

Thanks for putting together such a great car! :)

Dave
 

ChrisK

Administrator
Staff member
#9
Scott,

It was a pleasure to meet you at the reunion.
Jim and I will make this post a "sticky" so it will always be at the top and easy for you to access and post.
If you need any help with anything feel free to contact me.

Regards,
Chris
 
#10
Scott, thanks again for all the hardwork and effort you putforth in attending the event. I know I greatly appreciate it and can't wait to see what comes of the website!

Jason
 

8289ta

Silver Member
#11
Scott - it was great to meet you and hear you and Bill Owen talk about the history of these cars. I really appreciate owning one, and all of the work that went into creating them. I hope you want to do another event in the future. It would be great to do an event at Indy, possibly in 2014, when these cars turn 25 - a silver Anniversary.
 

TURBO T/A

Active Member
#12
Thank-you Mr. kelly for all you have done and are doing for us and our cars. Pleasure meeting you and your family and look foward to seeing you again. Mike
 

michbc3

Well-Known Member
#13
Scott - Thanks for the interesting and candid presentation. Your interest and enthusiasm for the project came across loud and clear. I learned a lot, but plan to learn more as I review my camcorder video. There was a lot of good information to absorb.

All the best, Bob Crow
 
#14
Hi Guys,

Here is a sample of a page for the website. You will be able to copy them and I have placed the PAS Inc logo on them so you know where they came from.

By the way, the new history thread has a lot of errors in it so do not take it as gospel.

I am also considering opening PAS as a business to work on the TTAs, Syclones, Typhoons and Sonoma GTs. What are your thoughts? How many of you would bring your cars to Michigan to have repairs done by the Manufacturer?

In order to set up a shop I need to invest a lot of my personal money and need to have a backlog of work to get it going. One of you asked if I would consider building another car and the answer is yes but it takes a lot of funding. I have had a couple conversations with GM but there is not much interest ...... Yet.

Have a great day,

Scott
 

michbc3

Well-Known Member
#15
Scott - I'm in Michigan several times a year already. And that's where I have a lot of my car work done (TTA and other) because I only own American cars. In my opinion, ever since ATR left the business there has been a big hole in specific TTA part support. Sure, we have the TurboBuick companies, but their help only goes so far. For instance, right now my ATR 3" exhaust is ok, but the day will come when it isn't... And even though there is a performance improvement, that exhaust kit never fit my car correctly in the first place - still doesn't. I had to fabricate a lower bracket for my ATR intercooler - and results have not been up to my expectations. I'd also like to have my car tuned on a dyno at a place that really knows TTAs - not just a generic dyno shop. So, yes, I'd like to see a shop opened in Michigan that actually specializes in TTAs, Typhoons and Syclones.
 

Turbota6

Well-Known Member
#17
Scott,

I would love to see this happen for the TTA and Sy/Ty community but from a business standpoint I'm not sure if the numbers would support it. Just being straight forward and honest, no disrespect.

Would you or have you considered catering to other GM performance vehicles as well? The LSX crowd would certainly have some numbers behind them covering 4th & 5th Gen F-bodies, 5th & 6th Gen Corvettes, and other vehicles in smaller numbers like the Trailblazer SS and Pontiac G8. Working with some of the "newer" GM models might also highlight the business to let GM know what your company would be capable of.

Just my $.02.

I am also considering opening PAS as a business to work on the TTAs, Syclones, Typhoons and Sonoma GTs. What are your thoughts? How many of you would bring your cars to Michigan to have repairs done by the Manufacturer?

In order to set up a shop I need to invest a lot of my personal money and need to have a backlog of work to get it going. One of you asked if I would consider building another car and the answer is yes but it takes a lot of funding. I have had a couple conversations with GM but there is not much interest ...... Yet.

Have a great day,

Scott
 

michbc3

Well-Known Member
#18
"Would you or have you considered catering to other GM performance vehicles as well?"

I guess that what I meant to say that there is a need for a shop that advertises that they have PAS vehicle service and technicians/specialists that also work on other GM performance vehicles. I agree of course that TTAs and the two PAS turbo trucks probably wouldn't generate enough customers.
 
#19
Hi Guys,

What I am thinking is to cater to any high performance or competition vehicles such as Vipers, Corvettes and exotics of which I have background as well. However, unlike other shops we would have shows, ride and drives, and have kind of a club atmosphere for car nuts.

PAS/Triad/Prototype Automotive built many other cars besides the limited production cars as you will see and I miss the fun I used to have with a team of people with like interests. I see Bill Owen and Tom Goad being regular visitors as well as the many friends that we have at Chrysler and GM. I restore antique Ferraris now and would like to bridge that hobby in as well.

I need to have cars like yours for service and restoration as well as do prototype and race vehicles. I have talked to several Engineers that were involved with PAS and they are interested in assisting.

Keep in mind that there are too many shops bolting parts on that may or may not increase performance but reduce reliability may cause other issues. I used to take up to 40 phone calls per day at PAS handling all the rodders that modified their vehicles improperly. I want to engineer good production quality parts for cars that have measureable results. This would include things like plug wires and other parts to keep your cars original but performing as new. The Sy/Ty/Sgt folks need new body cladding and other parts as well.

Packard has agreed to build new plug wires for me for the TTA and I have to figure out how to set up an order process on the website. All of my parts will come with tags from PAS Inc. so you know they are production level and made to the original specifications. For those of you that show your cars as original you will be able to have parts and repairs done by the original manufacturer.

I am working with some of the Viper guys right now to replate some of the special edition wheels for them. Those guys are like you in that they really enjoy their cars and need parts and quality service as well. I drove a GTS Viper along with an Avanti, a 308GTS Ferrari and 2 other Vipers on a trip to the Studebaker Museum in Indiana.

Have a great day and thanks for the input. I will be at the Moose Preserve next Wednesday to see all the TTAs and GNs.

Scott
 

andre#4

Well-Known Member
#20
Scott,

That is a great idea. I am a tta nut and have suffered from lack of parts for the last 15 years at least. Some things have become available like the intercooler shroud (which you know is easily ruined and badly needed), but others are still not available.

These cars, being white (very few magazine covers), and being pontiacs (must play 2nd fiddle to vette), have been short changed in the media for years. Many people still think the car does not exist. Your support for the cars can only help to raise the level of respect for the car and help assert its rightful place in muscle car history.

Lots of car companies have had official service for old cars, (aston martin newport pagnell workshop, rolls royce hythe road, Porsche, etc.)

I would have my car trucked to your facility if I could trust the mechanics there. You would have to have well paid technicians of the type that are sometimes found in the better rolls royce and ferrari independent workshops. I would not be surprised if they make $100k/year plus benefits. There will be shop boys to do oil changes and tire changes, but actual mechanics will be expensive..

In the 1990's I had 3 ttas because my first 2 were ruined by mechanics. They left me stranded and needed expensive weekly repairs. As a last resort, I bought my third one brand new, and never let it near a mechanic. It went 240k miles with no service or maintenance, except for tires and 4 oil changes. Then I sold it, in perfect mechanical condition. That proved to me that without a mechanic, the car was fine. it was mechanics that ruined them. I am now on my 4th tta, which is one of the 2 convertibles that asc made.

Thank you for considering this. There are ways to make this feasible without large capital expenditures. you can get an LLC for a couple hundred dollars and fix one car at a time out of your own garage. of course you can spend more and do more, but there is a way to do this on a small level if the huge plans don't pan out.
 

andre#4

Well-Known Member
#21
Scott, if you get a chance maybe you can answer this question:

Where did the tta come from directly, when a dealer ordered one? would it have come from PAS to the dealer, or from the assy line to the dealer?

I have heard that pas did quality control which would make me think they came from pas. In other words I am trying to find the sequence of places the ttas went as they were completed.

I am assuming they went from Van Nuys assy line to PAS to dealers. is this the correct sequence?

Thank you.

I am sorry you have back trouble. That is a terrible thing to constantly deal with. (I have had same for 20 years)

Andre
 

Turbota6

Well-Known Member
#22
Andre,

I'll jump in and answer this as Scott addressed the topic at the reunion. I'm sure as more people make their video footage available you'll get to see his entire presentation.

The "powertrain modules" meaning engine & trans were assembled at PAS (City of Industry) and sent to Van Nuys. The cars were assembled down the line as incomplete vehicles and sent to PAS (COI) for final inspection and quality control. Once the cars passed inspection they became complete vehicles and were then sent back to Van Nuys for shipping to their final destination.

Hope that helps.

Scott, if you get a chance maybe you can answer this question:

Where did the tta come from directly, when a dealer ordered one? would it have come from PAS to the dealer, or from the assy line to the dealer?

I have heard that pas did quality control which would make me think they came from pas. In other words I am trying to find the sequence of places the ttas went as they were completed.

I am assuming they went from Van Nuys assy line to PAS to dealers. is this the correct sequence?

Andre
 

Jan Larsson

Super Moderator
Staff member
#23
Scott,

Just back home today from our family road trip (6 states total) so not been able to post much since we all had the great pleasure meeting you and your family in person and getting to learn the real story behind the TTA project, really appreciate the time and effort you put into the presentation in Hebron and taking the time to answer all the questions that had been posted on this board as well as on TurboBuick.com prior to the event; we learnt a lot from your session that's for sure and glad you and Bill could set the record straight after all these years and all theories out there on certain topics.

Really look forward to the website when done, some really interesting material you had up there initially and what you propose with regards captions on the photos will work very well. Would be nice if we could download the photos without the captions to be able to make some nice large size prints if needed.

Would be nice if you could scan the production documents / manuals used (so the Engine Description Manual and others) in print quality PDF documents for us to download and reference as they will really help with any restoration and / or learn more about how all parts fit together.

I've had time since we spoke to come up with some good ideas with regards to the registry that I think you will like, will give all owners confirmation on build details for their specific vehicle and will help build the registry database for use for newsletters, event invites and other communications to the TTA community out there; all this with minimum effort from your side and all managed at my end. Drop me a line to jlarsson@london.com and I'll put more details in writing for your consideration later this week and we can take it from there.

Again thanks for all your support and efforts, I know I speak for all of us when I say it's very much appreciated!

Jan
 
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TTOP350

Well-Known Member
#25
Scott,
Any pull with goodyear?? I'm thinking replacement gatorback tires are in order.. I like leaving Gatorback snot on the pavement.ttarider
 
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